Aristotle: So, let me get this straight, what you're saying is that the world we live in is not real: Pluto: You don't seem to understand what I mean....Aristotle: Because it's ridiculous... Pluto: No, listen. What I am saying is that the environment or form we live in is full of irregularities, imperfections and impurities, this is because this form is simply a copy of the ideal world that one would understand once one rises to the above our physical environment and grasp it intellectually. Aristotle: I understand you well but I don't agree with you. I agree that our world is an imperfect world, but I object to the idea that it is not real or that there is another invisible form out there from which it is cloned. I find it absurd, everything is right here on earth, physically. Pluto: No. What we see on earth 'physically', as you say, are just imitations or artificial replicas of the real thing, just with many imperfections. This is just an illusion of reality. Aristotle: How can this be when our natural world is real and physical? Let me explain it to you clearly, our world, this world is made of many forms. Sure, they may not be ideal, pure or perfect, but our senses identify with them. Pluto: Well, our senses identify with them because they are copies of the perfect form and we have knowledge of them. Let me explain it to you. Knowledge must have as its object that which is overtly real as juxtaposed with that which is only appearance, that which is fully real must be fixed, permanent and immutable – in the realm of being as opposed to that which is in the realm of physics. . This is why you call this world 'physical' when it is only a perception of the true ideal form. Aristotle: This is absurd! If experience... middle of paper... the intellect must have adequate reasons, which can guarantee the conformity of the proposed judgment to reality. These are the foundation of perfect knowledge, knowledge through causes. Not that we come from an invented form that we cannot access, but that we come from an individual. Matter is the indeterminate element, which is immutable, and form is the strength and power that shapes and develops the individual. This is a structure of two statements that lead to correct reasoning. Pluto: So you oppose my whole idea? Aristotle: Completely! It lacks foundation and crumbles in on itself. Your argument holds that physical objects are needed for us to acquire concepts, but your idea is based on an invisible form that cannot be physically confirmed. Pluto: We could discuss this for hours. It's a stalemate. Aristotle: It seems we've hit a dead end, but I win!